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Dr Schoen Interview Part 2 – Equitation Tips

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Dr. Schoen Interview Part 2 – Equitation Tips!

Why is good equitation or riding well, so important?

Equine Business Builder, Horse Podcast, Laura Kelland May
Dr. Allen Schoen, Co-Author of The Compassionate Equestrian

Good equitation or riding is one of the keys to connecting with your horse in a more loving, compassionate way and thereby preventing many of the health problems and lameness that veterinarians end up treating.

What is the biggest challenge you see people are struggling with their equitation?

I sense that one of the greatest challenges again is not coming from a deep sense of compassion for their horse and themselves. If one has a busy mind, distracted, not centered on the moments with their horse and what is best for both of them, then one can easily become distracted by countless other things.

What are some tips you could give RIGHT NOW to help people listening to either prevent, stop or correct the problem?

I would say that incorporating the key principles of the Compassionate Equestrian approach could help riders and their horses more than anything else. For example, simply taking 10 minutes before interacting with your horse and quieting ones heart and mind and creating a time of quiet focused intention could be of more benefit than anything else. Neuroscience now shows us that simply taking 10 minutes each day to focus on compassion for all beings can change our brains and our heart.

That is the foundation for both preventing and correcting so many problems.

If we do not transform our thoughts, our hearts and our minds, we may simply be putting temporary band-aids on problems.  I invite everyone to read “The Compassionate Equestrian” and see how incorporating some of these simple approaches to their own health and happiness can make their horses and themselves healthier and happier. Integrating these approaches will improve their equitation skills as well as helping themselves, their horses, their friends and families and expand out even further to be of benefit to all beings and the world community.  This is what we are seeing from horse lovers who are integrating these approaches into their lives.

Thank you for inviting me on your program and to share the insights we are sharing in “The Compassionate Equestrian”. I invite you all to become part of the compassionate equestrian movement through thecompassionateequestrian.com that my co-author, Susan Gordon facilitates.  May your choices and actions be of benefit to all beings!

Thank you Laura and let me know if this addresses what you would like to discuss. Talk soon,

Joyce Chartier – Part 2 Equitation

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Let’s move on to some specific equitation questions.

Why is good equitation and riding well so important?

Laura Kelland-May, Joyce Chartier, Equine Business Builders,
Joyce Chartier, Choyce LLC, Choyce Party Ponies

Well in my business with doing trail rides and and pony parties or anything like that, job one, is it keeps you from falling off! That is important.

That for me, is the most important thing. I find that often I’m  taking out people out in the woods, we may encounter obstacles, we may encounter animals.

Do you encounter one of those large ‘gators you see on Facebook?

Actually that’s really funny. I was taking a training horse out and I had people riding behind me and it was raining at Atlantic Ridge and the water was on all of the trails was really deep.

We were sloshing through a trail that was about two feet deep, and all of a sudden, I just, out of the corner of my eye looked down and I saw this huge out swelling coming out from underneath my horse. And I watched the water continue to swell up and then jumps out on the bank and it was a two foot gator.

The horse I was riding didn’t even budge. He just kept on acting like, I didn’t see a thing, I don’t know what you’re talking about. And I was like, oh my gosh, that was a ‘gator and it came right out from underneath my horse.

Those types of this is why I say equitation is really important because know, keeping your weight down in your heels, trying to predict what your horse is going to do, keeping your upper body back. People teach equitation in a ring and people teach English equitation are like bring that upper body forward, got that lovely two – point position, that’s all fine and wonderful.

I had a clinic with Aidan O’Connell about five or six years ago and Aiden O’Connell just put a video up on the mail about  riding out of the arena, riding outside fencing. That is when equitation becomes more important than anything, because if you’re not balanced and you’re not paying attention to what’s going on, you’re going to be off in a flash.

That is so huge. You know, people spend their lives inside the confines of the rings. I agree with you totally.

So what is the biggest challenge you see people are struggling with with their equitation. You get so many different types of people. People who have ridden a lot. People who have never ever ridden.

I have people that range from, I’ve never been on a horse before to grand prix riders ride my horses. I’ve got a friend of mine that is a retired steer wrestler. He rides. I go from people who don’t know how to ride hardly at all to people that ride way better than I’ll ever ride.

With beginners, here’s what I see, is that it’s easy to “over horse” yourself. People will sell you a horse that is more horse than you need to be on.

That’s what you mean by “over horse-ing”.They should be on fifteen two quiet quarter horse when they’re on or someone’s selling them a 17.2hh off the track thoroughbred that raced 2 weeks ago.

And they do it with their children. They do it as adults. They do it unknowingly. Oh, I want my child to grow up with the same companion. They will go and buy a young horse that the child has no business being on. Or for themselves. They’ll go out and find a disreputable person that may drug the horse. Or may misrepresent the horse, or maybe look at the horse and say, “oh it’s pretty, I want it”, and not even think about what they are going to ride the horse, to have anything to do with it.

There so many ways and mistakes can be made because people don’t know. They don’t know what you’re doing. And people selling horses, that it’s not their business. They just want the horse gone. They don’t pay attention to where the horse is going to go. And you’ll get people to come out and they’ll look at a horse for sale, they’ll be like, just get on it and go. Or friends have horses and their non- instructors themselves, but their horses are fine for them to ride and they will say, “come on over and jump on my horse, let’s go for a ride.

They can’t look at a person ‘s body and say this horse might be too much for them. they don’t know how to real what’s going on with a rider. The next thing you know, somebody’s fallen off, they’re getting hurt.

So they are not knowledgeable.

Not knowledgeable. There are too many horses in this world that are are not well trained. There are too many people who don’t want to spend money to pay for quality training and it is an accident waiting to happen.

So what tips can you give people now to help them, to help people who are listening here today?

Know what’s going on your horse ‘s head, and develop a strategy to avoid a fall. And I say avoiding them because they’ll happen no matter what happens you get on a horse plan on falling off. It’s just going to happen.

They don’t like to hear that.

But that’s what happens. And I I say that because I had one of my students, and it probably took her three or four years before she finally fell off, but it did happen.

You learn to ride better and then you take more risks. If you never take risks, you won’t have an issue. Very rarely will you have anything go wrong. I try extra, extra careful with my beginner riders. We always ride the level of the least rider. Any time I book a trail ride, and I’m like okay what’s your riding skills. And what’s your of friends  riding skills? And they’re like, well you know I’ve ridden, and I’m really good experience and I own my own horse.  And my friend is a beginner.Well you need to understand we will ride to the level of your friend who is a beginner. We are going to keep them safe.

You have to read the horse’s body language. You learn how to read horses body language. You have to feel what they’re feeling and have a plan if they spook.

It’s got to happen or you are going over face yourself. These are all things that most often happen, if you love horses and oh, I’m going to ride every week. Oh, I think this is a fabulous experience. I want to get into owning my own horse. Because a lot of people when they start  riding some people never get past the “oh I ride occasionally”. Most of the time they are pretty safe.

It is when you decide that you’re passionate about this and you want to learn all you can learn in the limited time you have on the planet. That’s  sometimes when accidents can happen.

I think that’s really good advice.

Are there any other things you would like to add to that?

Riding with a helmet. Riding with  an air vest or a safety vest. When I fox hunt, because I am one of those who is going to push my envelope. I  hunt with an air vest. I am attached by a lanyard to my saddle and when I separated from my horse my air vest immediately goes off.

When you were growing up, putting those baler twine,  hay bine, hay twine bridles on those three year olds, did you have a vest and a helmet?

I can picture it, you had a pair of cut off jean shorts and probably a halter top or bathing suit and maybe boots on. Maybe bare feet!

Probably bare foot or in tennis shoes, because you know I didn’t have to worry about falling out of the stirrup because, there was none!

They weren’t going to let us use any of their good equipment.

One challenge that I see people that are struggling with their equitation is that they just don’t ride enough.  And I will say the foxhunting and trail riding. those are all ways to get out in the saddle and spend hours and that’s what really makes a difference in your equitation.

Spending time in the tack!

I think that’s really good advice. I think we are going to wrap it up there Joyce.

I’d like to thank you Joyce Chartier for coming on our podcast today.

If you would like to visit Joyce, you can go to ChoyceLLC.com  and ChoycePartyPonies.com.

Thank you for visiting us today.

Thank you.

 

Jess Paveley – Hufeisen Shoeing Company.

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Would like to welcome Jess Paveley from Hufeisen Shoeing Company.

Equine Business Builder, Equine Entrepreneurs, Laura Kelland-May, equine podcasts
Corrective, Therapeutic Shoeing and Performance Shoeing

Thanks for having me.

Well, You’re welcome. Is that the correct name of your business Hufeisen Shoeing Company?

Yes Hufeisen Shoeing Company. Hufeisen means horse shoe in German.

So how come you went with a German name?

I spent some time shoeing in Germany and I thought it was appropriate.

Do you have a website you would like to share with us?

Yes I do. It is hufeisenshoeingcompany.ca . If you don’t want to type out that mouthful you can go to OttawaFarrier.ca and it will redirect you.

 Ottawa Farrier. Ca

Yes.

Okay, Perfect. So could you tell us a bit about what you do and how you got involved with horses?

I am a farrier and also a blacksmith. So I trim and shoe horses as well as making metal sculptures and art.

Do you have any of your blacksmithing art on display anywhere?

This weekend I had a table on display at the Home and Garden Show.

Was if for sale? Did anyone buy it?

It wasn’t for sale. It was a display peice for Butcher Block Counter Tops.

Did anyone comment on it?or say “hey! I’d like to buy that.”

You know I just popped by to see it, in all its glory and took a couple of pictures. The fellow who had the booth said he was going to have these steel frames available on his website so we will see how that goes.

So can you send us a picture so we can put it up with the interview.

Yes I will.

Do you have any more upcoming events or new projects?

Equine Business Builder, Podcasts for Equestrians, Equine Entrepreneurs, Laura Kelland-May, Jess Paveley
Butcher Block Table Frame, Designed/Made by Jess Paveley

No new shows this summer. Right now I am building a fire pit which I am really excited about. And maybe I will send pictures of that to you as well.

How are you making a firepit?

Well it is made out of a car [tire] rim. A steel rim, that is where the fire will be and a decorative lid. It is going to be “in town” so it does have to have a lid.

By-law compliant.

Alright Jess, tell us how you got started with your riding.

My mom put me in riding lessons at the National Capitol Equestrian Park when I was seven years old. So that was over twenty years ago and I have been riding ever since.

You do English, hunter/jumper type stuff.

Yes.

With your business what is the driving force to keep you going with your projects?

With my blacksmithing projects, probably just joy. I enjoy making stuff from other stuff. I do a lot with scrap metal.

How about with your farrier stuff, your horse shoeing stuff?

Well I also enjoy that. I enjoy seeing horse walk away happy and sound. And I like paying my bills. Why does anyone work?

You like doing your job and you like paying your bills. That is why we are here. It’s a “horse” job.

There must be a lot of farriers out there. How do you make yourself different?

There are a surprising number of farriers in Ottawa. What makes me different? You’ll have to ask my clients.

What is the number one thing holding people back from doing what they want to do? You are doing what you want to do,  You have gone through some “life changes”, why do you think people are NOT doing what they want to do?

I am doing what I want to do because I had a few people shove me. I knew what I wanted to do but was to afraid to start it. I got a big kick to get it done. I think the reason why most people don’t or aren’t doing what they want to do is because they are afraid of new things or getting out of their comfort zone or afraid of failing at the things they are going to try.

So do you think a mentor is important to have for someone starting out or to give some guidance? It sounds like your mentor pushed you in the right direction. Is that right?

Yes, that is right. A mentor can be anyone. It doesn’t have to be someone in your industry it can be someone with more experience. More life experience.

This may be a difficult question. What do you think your biggest “flop” was? Or maybe something that wasn’t so successful.

I don’t know if you would call it a ‘flop’, but I spent a lot of time moving around. And just having to build your business back up from nothing more than once is extremely hard.

Your a farrier, so moving around is not good for your business. So each time you moved you have to put yourself out there and get new clients and develop your base again. So you are going to be staying put in the Ottawa area for a little bit anyway.

Yes definitely. I am happy here. No plans to move anytime in the future.

What do you think your biggest success it?

I think that ties back into my biggest “flop” and being successful in each new place I lived. Because I had to move around and start over so often I had to constently putting myself out there, networking and talking with everyone I could, which was really, really hard for me. If you know me at all, you know it was really hard. As a result of pushing through, and not giving up, which would have been really easy, my business thrived. how hard it was.  go out

 What is the biggest setback people face when they try to do what you do?

I think people underestimate how hard it is. They think it is a brute strength when really it is a lot of anatomy and finesse.

So why do you think the number one reason people succeed when others don’t in the farrier scheme of things?

I think the main issue is business skills. I think you can be a really good farrier with poor business skills and you will fail. I think you can be a mediocre farrier with reasonably good business skills and you will most likely succeed.

That is a really good piece of advice. Good for when you set out in any business.

With respect to your farrier what was one of the major road block you experienced when you set out on your journey?

I think one of the major roadblocks for me was gender, starting out. I had more than one male farrier who I asked to ride with, say “no”, purely because I was a woman. And “what would people think?” It was really hard for me to find someone that would let me ride along.

Do you mean they were wondering what would people think about them riding with a woman? Or that you are a female farrier?

Of them riding with a woman. I don’t think the issues was my being a  female farrier at all.

That being said, when I was starting out and would show up on farms people were always surprised and they would say, “oh! A female farrier, I haven’t seen one of those”. I found it reasonably difficult to be taken seriously.

Has that changed at all, for you these days?

Yes it has. I don’t have to fight as hard to be taken seriously as a farrier. Some people will walk out to the barn to and go, “oh wow, female”, but people don’t stand over me looking at my work.

Making sure you are doing it right?

Exactly! Making sure I do it like a man would do it.

What was an Ah-ha moment when you knew you had overcome one of those roadblocks?

I’m not sure it was one moment necessarily but more of a progression of my business. When people started calling me and say, “my horse has this problem, can you help him”.

I knew people were more aware of my ability and less of my gender. Another thing that ties into that is that when I moved back to Ottawa people thought I was fresh out of school. Secretly I think that had to do with my being a young woman. I think I have been able to push past it and be successful the short time I’ve been here.

Excellent. Good to hear you were able to overcome that. That is a key thing when people start calling you in your business. You’ve gone past what you need to get past for the type of work you do.

Okay Jess that is the business end of things completed. Now we are going on to the equitation questions. I know you are looking forward to this.

Why is equitation and riding well so important?

I think riding well is so important because if you don’t you will never get to where you want to go. On the one hand if you want to ride a Grand Prix course you will never get around it if you are riding down hill but on the other hand if you want to hack your horse out and you don’t have good basics, where are you going to end up? On the ground.

So riding well is important for everybody, for safety as well.

What’s the biggest challenge you see people are struggling with their equitation?

I see a lot of people that don’t have a good base of support. Their legs are flopping around, their stirrups are too short, they are riding with a chair seat. It affects everything from the legs up. It affects your seat, your shoulders, your posture, your hands.

So the basic riding skills. Lunge lessons that type of thing.

Yes. I hate to say it yes, but basic riding skills.

What are some tips you could give right now to help prevent, stop or correct the problem that you are seeing?

People are going to hate me for this one. I am going to say, no stirrups.

That is a favorite with everybody, riding without stirrups. Any specific exercises without stirrups?

I don’t know there are so many.

Just pick one and go with it right?

Okay Jess. I would like to thank you so much for coming into the studio today. Is there any other thing you’d like to say about your business or anything we didn’t cover  that you would like to say?

No, I think that is everything.

Thanks for having me Laura.

 

 Thank you. That was Jess Paveley. HufeisenShoeingCompany.ca  and OttawaFarrier.ca.

 

Episode 0004-B Emily Wolff – Equine Massage Therapist

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Part 2 of interview with Emily Wolff of Heart to Hand Equine Massage.

EmilyWolff - RMT 1Would like to welcome you to Equine Business Builders

Part B –

Introduction –

Now we are going to move on to some equitation questions. Are you ready for some equitation questions?

 Yes I think so.

This will be very applicable for you. We did talk a bit about how the rider influences the horse You see that quite often right?

Why is good equitation and riding well so important?

Good question. Good equitation is so important because our balance can throw the horse off balance. If we are not riding well, the horse is always going to mirror us. It is important to give them a sense of confidence in themselves. A good horse you will be able to give them confidence. The better stronger position you have the better you can help the horse.

Excellent

What is the number one thing you see. What is the biggest mistake you see in riders, I guess.

Whooo, that is a bit of a loaded question.

Not mentioning any names!

A lot of us, myself included, don’t always have that smooth following arm. I think this is from a tightness in our pecs and a weakness in our core and we are not able to hold ourselves in a position where our arms can move freely. This is a huge component, I see it time and time again, bracing the hands and breaking the wrists. Tight elbows that aren’t moving and not following, rounded shoulders. I think it is related to a weakness in the core, to the muscles in the core.

I think it is not as common at the upper levels or even mid summer when we are showing and riding a bit more. In general not having a following rein.

Do you think some riders should be fitter. To do some exercises to help strengthen their core? Do you think that would help?

Yes one-hundred percent.I think core strength is vital for us not only for us as riders but as humans.

I am sitting here as if I am sitting on a horse and I am holding myself up. I have to say I do a lot of core exercises.
 Wonderful!

And I think I have pretty soft hands…

Anyway – moving along.

What are some tips you could give right now to either prevent, stop or correct  the problem. I think we kind of mentioned it, core exercises.

Core, core strength definitely.

My equine massage therapist heart is such a big fan of grooming and currying and [taking care of the horse by] flushing the blood after we ride and stimulating the skin before we ride. And stretching exercises.

I am going to give you my favorite exercises. Is to just back the horse up in hand. Nice and slowly. You stretch the whole body basically.  Nice and slowly and quietly back up the horse in hand between 10 and 20 steps. It does a great job for the pelvisand legs and for all those muscles that are classically tight.

That is my one major tip, more grooming and whole body stretch.

Excellent – those are really good tips.

Thank you Emily. That is it for my questions here. Is there anything that you would like to add?

I would like to thank you again one more time for having me here today and this whole community you are building. The more we collaborate together the more massage therapists vets, chiropractors and riders and trainers, the more we all work together, the better it is for the horses at the end of the day.

That is my big why, so I so appreciate you having this podcast having me here and everything you are doing.

Thank you so much Emily. I really appreciate it.

It’s bringing people together for a common purpose. We all have this common theme of working and helping with horses. If we can all get together and mentor people coming up, I think it is going to be fantastic.

I appreciate saying what you said so thank you so much.

Absolutely, thanks Laura.

If you would like to contact Emily please visit Heart to Hand Equine Massage  

 

 

Episode 004 – Emily Wolff – Heart to Hand Equine Massage

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Would like to welcome Emily Wolff of Heart to Hand Equine Massage

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I’d like to thank Emily Wolff of Heart to Hand Equine Massage for coming into the studio or rather On Zoom.us today.  Would like to thank you for coming to Equine Business Builders and I’d like to ask you to explain a little bit about what you do!

Thank you so much for having me. I think it is so good to collaborate and share our knowledge and that sense of community is always so important. So I am so happy to do it.

Heart to Hand Equine Massage is exactly what it sounds like. I’m an Equine Massage Thereapist. I work on a range of horses everything and every different industry. From riding horses to the standard bred industry, thoroughbreds, heavy horses, pleasure horses and a lot of ponies to.  I work on the soft tissue of the body and I’ve grown my business over the past few years and have included dogs, and recently went back to school to work on my human co-workers.

I like what you said when you said you could see the horses issues because the riders were crooked and stiff and sore. You’ve gone full circle. You realized that you could make the horses better by helping the riders. You can make the horse more comfortable and straight but if the rider gets on it and the rider is crooked then the horse will still be crooked. So you have gone full circle there.

That is right. I realized that was happening to myself when all of my horses  had a difficulty in exactly the same way. I was the common denominator there. It wasn’t that they were all crooked the same way… it was me!

I block them a bit with that shoulder. And I don’t use the shoulder on the same on both sides. So my horses, unfortunately, have difficulty softening and bending to the left, which is my stiff side.

That is so valuable. People need to hear that!

I haven’t done any formal studies on that. You know it even shows up on the driving horses.

So if the driver has a stiff shoulder or back the horses will have resistance as well?

Yes, it will usually show up in the neck, middle of the neck or the poll. With the drivers with an uneven hip or something, with their feet braced in the stirrups out in front of them, they are getting uneven pressure throughout their body as well. Those horses have such big hearts, they are just pulling through it and compensating with their body.

This is one thing that I am amazed by every time, when I put my hands on a horse and examining the tissue, “how is this horse doing its job?” And it is quite happy to do is job. It does it every day and every time. I have such respect and such compassion for the horses because I think, they’re just trying to do what we’re asking them.

If they are not doing what we want, we are not asking them the right way.

How did you get started with your riding?

I got started as a little, little girl. I may have been riding the sheep in the barn yard!

They had this really long hair you could really hold onto.

My riding career began pretty early. When I was in my late teens, I had the opportunity to work with an amazing woman in the Ottawa area, Fiona Henderson, she really taught me a lot about natural horsemanship, to see the horse a little bit differently. It set my heart on fire. I loved being in the barn and outside and the lifestyle of horses. I had never, you know, I had never looked at it from a different perspective. That there was more available to us.

I got a job working at a hunter/jumper barn on the “A” circuit in Toronto. We travelled and showed and we had some nice national level horses and some World Cup horses. I was so fortunate because not only my riding, riding nice quality horses, but by riding a lot of different horses my riding progressed.

Exponentially right?

And getting on all different types of horses. And the learning curve to. That industry, is tough, we’d travel and show every week.

And it’s not 9-5 either. Its 5 am till midnight or whatever it takes. If you have a  sick horse you have to be there. Getting ready to go to a horse show. It’s a tough lifestyle that particular lifestyle.

Absolutely. It’s definitely not for the faint of heart. We did long days and sometimes at the end of the day, sometimes at the end of the day having a paycheck at the end of the day wasn’t the biggest motivation. My motivation was to make sure I am doing a good job for the horses. Especially being a groom at a top level show barn you have to do what ever it takes to do the best for them. Whether it is travelling with them, flying with them. The long days, the long nights and early mornings you have to have a really good primary purpose. And a really good team. It is such a community. You spend so much time together, your day and your evening not just the horses but the other grooms, and trainers.

I like what you say about it being a whole team. You have to depend on each other to make it work.

Do you have some new and upcoming projects on the horizon?

Right now I am working on some videos. Some stretching videos. I find I am doing the same stretches over with each of the owners. It doesn’t matter how strong we are we still have to stretch. Tissue works its best when it is strong in a long position or in a short position. So often we ride in the same way all the time. The horses need to have that range of motion that is what keeps the joints happy. So that is where I am headed.  

Visit Emily’s Web Page – Heart to Hand Equine Massage – Heart to Hand Equine Massage

Do you have a website?

Yes EmilyRMT.com

Emily R-M-T Registered Massage Therapist.

Yes!

Are the videos up yet?

No not yet. We started last year and we ran into the winter!

What is your driving force that keeps you going to do a good job?

This is a great question it is so important to have a really big “why”. To have a really big primary purpose. Right now I am getting up at four in the morning to head out to Guelph to work on the horses before they go out for their workout. My every day I wake up and I am say, “why am I doing this?” And for me I want to help the horses. I have gotten so much from them for caring for them and taking care of them I want to give back. I want to give back. That is what gets me up. I think for anybody who is interested in this business and working with horses it is important they have a really clear “why”.

I like what you said before, it isn’t really about how much money you have at the end of the day, although that is nice to, particularly if you are in business, you have to pay the bills and buy your food and support yourself. I like where you said you want to give back. You have your why of supporting the horses so they can feel better and so they can work better and perform their jobs better. It’s not just about the money.

Yes. For me, getting into massage and getting into equine massage and becoming an RMT it was a lot of work. I had a really clear vision of what I wanted to look like and where I was going.  I set some pretty big goals and some pretty clear dreams and focus. So I think that is the second part. You have to have a really clear why and a really clear direction.

You have to have a plan. You are starting here and you want to get there. You have to plan out all the stuff in the middle right?

Yes.

I’m sure there are other massage therapists. How do you rise above and make yourself different than the others out there?

Great question. I think becoming an RMT was part of that.

You can do the full circle thing. You can get the riders in there as well. Do you have horse and rider programs. For example your horse is stiff here so you should do this to yourself.

I don’t currently but I always like to bring it up. I like the humans to be in charge of their own healthcare. Now, if someone suggests to them it may be their tight right shoulder, I will recommend that they come see me or will recommend someone in their area.

Having that community I can recommend to is important. If they are not close to me I will recommend someone close to them.

I think it is important to do both, although not everyone likes to be told what to do. I really keep my focus working on the horses. Doing a good job there.

Doing strengthening programs are so important because often with a tight muscle, they develop a weakness, it won’t be fixed right away because the muscle isn’t strong in that way. Having a strengthening program, some tools, a follow up. It is not always just one massage.

So I think building and having integrity in the relationship with the owner as well as the horse is what sets me apart from the others.

Being there, being available, communicating, following up, touching base, seeing the horse at the horse show. That follow up is essential to all of that.

That is very interesting.

We talked a bit about this before we started recording, about how we are involved in the horse industry because we love horses and sometimes we forget it is a business and I like were you said, you do the follow up and you keep in contact with the owners and the horses and touching base with people so you are available for them.

That is an integral part of the business isn’t it? Keeping tabs on your clients making sure they are ok.

Yes absolutely. I’ll often think of a horse and I will touch base that way.

I think business skill is one of those things you can never know enough about business. It doesn’t matter what you are doing. Business skills are the most invaluable skill you can learn. Even if it is something simple, it doesn’t matter what you are doing business skill are important.

You have had the opportunity Emily to develop yourself, grow yourself and develop a really good business. What do you think is the number one thing holding people back from doing what they want to do? You had a really clear idea, it’s quite clear from speaking with you that you knew where you wanted to go and what you wanted to do, but what do you think is holding other people back from having their dream job like what you are doing?

That’s a loaded question isn’t it?

Yes it is a loaded question. I had no idea I liked working with people until about half way through my RMT course. I didn’t necessarily like the interaction with people. I had a really big why that got me through that first half of school. My primary purpose was to help the horses more. I had a really clear reason why. It gave me direction all the time. Every step of the way it has given me direction. Whether it is what course to choose or how to build my website, where to put my focus during the month, the week or the day. It think that is what got me through school.

It turns out I really like working with people though, it’s good. If I hadn’t of had the clear focus; I had a really amazing woman in my life and she just told me, she said, “you should always be setting goals. Set a really big goal for yourself and then set 3 unrealistic goals.

So set a big goal and three unrealistic goals.

Ya! So something to work towards and then three things you think you could never accomplish. And put them on the list. I think that is what gave me the push to go outside of my comfort zone. That was the greatest gift I have gotten in a long time; to be pushed outside of my comfort zone and think “I can’t do that”, or “I don’t think I am worth it”, or “I don’t really like that”, I had a clear focus, I wanted to help the horses, so, If i didn’t like something and if I knew it was going to help the horses, I pushed myself outside of the comfort zone, to learn how.

You didn’t mind doing it because it was your “end game”.

Yes! So many of us get comfortable, where we are at with our riding, comfortable with our own aches and pains, to push past that a little bit to see if there might be a different way to do things, right?

My sister says, “Write your obituary and work backwards from there”. That is kind of a neat tool right?

Right! What do you want to be remembered for? What do you want people to be saying about you at your funeral? It is kind of morbid thing to think about but …

It comes back to having a very clear primary purpose, a really clear focus and a really big “why”. Goal setting and reaching toward your dreams that is what got me here.

We talked about some of your successes. Can you tell us about one of your not so big successes, a flop.

I’ve definitely had some flops.

Okay we will just restrict it to one!

I think, not trusting myself.

That is so huge. Not trusting yourself.

Do you mean not thinking you are doing any good.

The horses pick up on that in 5 seconds. They take one look at you and think, well you don’t know what you are doing. If I just trust myself, horses respond to such small amount of treatment, they respond so well to even a light touch, I have to get out of the way in order to help them.

The times I have failed I was definitely in the way. Either I was thinking about something else or wasn’t focused on what I was doing and got kicked. Or I was trying to do a good job with the owner and didn’t do a very good job taking care of the horse.

Myself getting in the way.

What do you think people in the equine business, any equine business, what do you think the biggest set back is with people who are doing their own equine business? What is the biggest set back people have. We have mentioned a few, self doubt, not setting goals, primary purpose. What do you think a big set back is for people starting out?

I think when you are starting out hearing “no” is intimidating. It takes a lot of “no”s to be successful. If you are just starting out, you have to put in the time and the effort, I did a lot of free massages, gift certificates, putting in the time and showing up at events, and just talking to people and putting in the time and the energy. If your intention is in the right place then it will definitely work out.

Excellent

We are getting to repeat ourselves a bit here. What is the number one reason why some people succeed when others don’t?

I think some people succeed, and I’m going to say it one more time, they have a really big reason why. They trust that feeling and they go with it. And they don’t listen to what other people tell them, or what other people say. They kind of lead with their heart. With horses that is the most effective way to treat them.

A big reason why.

So, along your way, what were some of the major road blocks you encountered when you set out?

Focus too much on my office and not getting out there and talking to people. I’d spend all day at the computer and wonder why I wasn’t out there earning a living.

Road blocks are just opportunities to learn.

That is so good. Roadblocks are just opportunities to learn.

What was one of the major “a-ha” moments when you knew you had overcome that roadblock?Once you got your office all set up and your computer all set up, what was that big a-ha moment when you realized Hey-I better get out there and do something.

The second massage I gave on a horse. So, I gave him a massage and still a little bit unsure. I went back 3 days later, just to check his progress and it was an entirely different horse. He was happy, he was eating. It looked like he had gained 200 pounds. He was standing squarer in his back end, he had a nice shine to his coat. That was the moment I knew I had to get out of my own way because what I was doing was helping. Just that reassessment. Have another look and follow up.

Trusting in yourself that you are doing the right thing.

Horses every step of the way, even when I didn’t trust myself, horses are such good communicators, they are going to let you know. Even if it is subtle, taking a deep breath, or a sigh, or something more intimate. I just try to listen to the horse is trying to tell me, I will always have success. The more I can get out of the way the more I can listen to what they have to say. That is the biggest skill I’ve had is listening. If I don’t know what I am doing i just stop and take a step back and wait for the horse to give me some clues. They might give me some clues, give me some signs. They may reach around and scratch themselves. They are really good communicators.

Please continue onto part 2 of Emily’s interview.