Month: June 2016

Interview with Joyce Chartier from ChoyceLLC and Choyce Party Ponies

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Our guest is is Joyce Chartier from Choyce LLC and Choyce Party Ponies. How are you doing today Joyce?
Where are you located first of all?
I have two different locations both in Florida, one on the East Coast, the Treasure Coast area specifically Palm City, Florida. and then I have my West Coast of Florida division, which is based in San Antonio Florida.

Excellent.. so you run both businesses from where  you are located. right now?
I run them both from San Antonio.

Do you have a webpage/website that people can find you.

I have two webpages one is Choyce Ponies and I spell it funny because my name is Joyce and my ponies are Choice. It’s C – H – O -Y as in  yellow, C – E ponies PON IES .com and my second website  is ChoyceLLC .com. ChoycePonies.com and ChoyceLLC.com, they can find you there to find out some more in-depth stuff about your businesses.

Tell us a little bit about what you do and what your businesses are.

My one business is my main business I started twenty years ago and that was my pony party business and that is my East Coast business. I don’t do pony parties on the West Coast and that is one reason why I have 2 different websites. One website is more my East Coast website and then the ChoyceLLC website is my West Coast website– one is primarily doing trail rides because that’s more what I enjoy and what I specialize in and it’s how I reshaped my business when I moved to the West Coast. I then went three years ago.

What are some of the big trail rides you do on the West Coast.

Usually my big ride in the Osceola wagon train and trail  ride, which is in the central part of Florida and Osceola County and that one I try to do every year. This for the first time I did the Cracker Trail Ride  that I haven’t done for probably ten years. I was thrilled to be able to do that and then the big ride  that I did this year was the great Florida cattle  drive sixteen. I did the  cattle drive in two thousand six and then I had the opportunity to do it again in two thousand and sixteen. I was an outfitter for the ride. I had a total of sixteen horses at that ride.

So Outfitter for that ride you provide  horses tack, equipment, yes. And you get to the trail and then meet up with the people prior to it. they get that require that you know it. in fact, when I did the package it was with the inclusion of one ride so that they can get to know my horses and get to know me and now I did not guarantee them that that was the horse they would get  but at least they had an idea what my horses were like. I got a chance to assess their  riding abilities, and then I could kind of get an idea of where I needed to place some in which horse they needed to be on.

You must have spent a long time combing the countryside for quality horses that can be used and ridden by people. Ya, that and then I have my old steady standbys that one of them is my “Luke” horse, and  took someone out on the ride this year that prior to me meeting him. he had been on a horse twice in his life.

It’s more than just going out to a trail ride I mean these are significant overnight rides right? Ya, ya. This was a week long camping moving our campsite every day, loading up all of our equipment into a trailer. I got called in at the last minute to be the trail boss, the circle boss for the blue group which was on the West Coast of Florida. We had some people that had to be called out due to illness, and I was the third person. I said I would do it.

So I had eighty one people in my group. Including my group of fifteen riders so that may the logistics a lot more difficult at that point. So with eighty one people you were organized logistics for the horses with people all the equipment.  You know, because I was the person that put out the fires and I was liaison between the head honchos and people, and so I was trying to help them out.

I was required to have two trucks and trailers one to move all of the feed that hay in the grain for the horses, and then the other one was to remove all of the equipment and people had brought with them to camp all of their tents, their clothes all that kinda stuff.

So not just riding but all the logistics and coordination of it as well.

Yes, absolutely.

That sounds like a very large undertaking.  I did the ride in two thousand six I did the ride and you know I’ve been going to meetings, but I certainly had no idea about what all of the logistics were really until probably the second day of when I’d actually accepted that I was going to do it. It was quite an quite an experience. It was totally fabulous. I had a great bunch of people who supported me in this, the mistakes I made where the mistakes that were made and we got it all sorted out in the end. And are you going to do it this year?

We are hoping for another opportunity in twenty twenty one when we will celebrate five hundred years of Ponce de Leon bringing horses and cattle and pigs and goats to the state of Florida.

That is interesting. Let’s talk a bit about you. How did you get started with your riding.

I started when I was little. I started riding with a friend of mine.

I started out on a rocking horse and I rode as a kid on a dairy. We use hay string bridles, because none of the Cowboys that were there would let us use any of their proper equipment. And then I didn’t ride again until I was seventeen years old. Again it is at a dairy.

I was riding a three -year-old buckskin Appaloosa that would be going along for two or three or four hours and then all of a sudden get a wild hair and buck  me off and then I’d be walking. Then went and took lessons and learned how to ride and then I started training horses and then I started teaching riders.

So you started riding in Florida? Yes.

And I am going to take a stab here and say Western type riding.

Oh well, mostly bareback because, like I say they wouldn’t let us use any of their equipment. We would literally take hay sting and make bridles out of it and put it on the horses and ride the horses with hay string bridles.

When you got these hay string bridles and you just got on the horses so you talking cowboys, they must have been real ranches you were riding at.

They were dairys actually just the wildest thing. That is another topic for another podcast.

How did you come up with your idea for ChoyceLLC and ChoycePartyPonies?

Twenty years ago I was involved in 4-H and I was learning how to teach and I was also involved with the horsemanship safety Association, which Betty Bennett Talbot was the originator and the director of that. And I learned how to teach from her in her clinics.

At the time I was also involved in 4-H and we were doing pony rides in the park in Okeechobee every year is a fundraiser for the 4-H and out of that find them and call them up and ask them to give parties.  They would be like we don’t want to do parties at people’s houses. The person at the time running the 4-H club was like someone called me to bring ponies to a party and I don’t do that.  But maybe you  might want to. At that time I had one pony and I had my daughter, who was then four years old. I took her and her pony, Buttercup, and I walked around in circles with Buttercup doing pony rides for two hours and then at the end Tiffany did a riding demonstration of her running a barrel pattern.  They gave me a hundred dollars and I was like, WOW, somebody paid me to do this!

You get paid for something you like to do!

Ya, I was exhausted and it was like yeah. So I went from that to go into the fleamarket in Stuart and I did the fleamarket in Stuart for 10 years. While I was doing that I was also developing the pony party business. When that ended with the fleamarket I just kept doing the Pony Parties and kept adding little things like bounce houses and petting zoos and bungee jumps.

So you kept growing and growing? Ya

Are there are people who are doing the same thing and how is yours different than the others out there?

Absolutely, there are others doing the same thing. You know. There are people who say, she is making money and she loves it, and she’s doing great job at it. And they think, oh we can do this.

I have competitors. One of my best friends was one of my best competitors for many years and so she sold her business and even tossed ponies pony parties back and forth all the time because we were very good friends. We would always discuss what we were doing with our pony party businesses and what was going on. It’s very rare that you can have a competitor who is in your same service area and get along with and we are still friends and we’ve been friends for seventeen years.

So how are you different from the others.

I bring ponies that have been doing this for many many years. We went to the Stuart Air Show with our ponies with the bombs and the jets. My ponies are very established. They’re very experienced. They’ve been doing this for numerous years.

They come glitterized. I bring unicorns. I can bring zebras. I can bring something odd as a unicorn or  a zoonicorn, which is only seen on the treasure Coast. They come in all varieties of pinks and purples and blues and striping and it’s a unicorn.

Do you have any pictures of the zoonicorn?

I do have pictures of the zoonicorn on my website. I think definitely, I have her on my facebook page.

What’s your facebook page Joyce?

Choyce Party Ponies and also ChoyceLLC on Facebook.

As far as the business goes, what do you think is the number one thing holding back people from doing what they want to do?  For example, you have a great business. Why do you think people are not going for it?

It depends on your mindset. I think that there are people and I see success all over every day. I see people doing this and making it work right. I see a lot, a lot people and do a horse business and make it work.

Consequently, I see other people who, this is a lot of work. It involves a lot hours when you have a horse business if you have any business, you eat, breathe and sleep it. When you put your horses before you do and you spend the bulk of your income on what you do, because I don’t make a lot of money.

This is a very small living for the amount of hours and the amount of time, and the amount of love that I put in to this. This is not really easy for people to understand. When I say things like my stock all has four legs, I don’t count 401(k). I don’t have a retirement I don’t have all those things that people traditionally look for, and that’s a little bit of a challenge.

So people have been afraid of being investment they have to make. And your reputation is important and I see a lot of people who come into the horse business and maybe they don’t have the best morals, and that makes a whole other bunch of  issues there.

So what  was one of the major roadblocks you experience when you send out businesses?

Insurance costs. My insurance this year for my pony parties was over three thousand dollars.

That’s for the ChoycePartyPonies?

That’s just the ponies. I was in business and have been doing this for probably eight or nine years and you know I was always wearing boots when I walked with the ponies. I got plantar fasciitis and that really put a hitch in my get-a-long. I had to really think on my feet to try to keep his business going, because basically I couldn’t walk anymore. So now I have had over the years, I’ve had people that have subcontracted to me that they also feel the passion that I do. and they also love what I do andhave helped me with my business over the years.

But you are still able to ride right?

I’m still able to ride. I still, I still could choose to teach. I just didn’t take that part of me when I moved over to the West Coast.  Where I had a barn, I had riding instruction. When I moved over to the West Coast. I was like all I want to do is trail ride.

You are subcontracting your Choyce Party Ponies. Yes.

Then a few years ago, when I shut down my barn in twenty thirteen. Then I made a decision across the state. So then it was like everybody who usually has a business like mine, they sell it or they shut it down. Then they move and they start over again. I made the decision to try to run that business remotely from across the state. It dictates having people that you can trust to do something like  that. Now I have moved across the state and that’s been an amazing thing.

When did you know you survived that major moment and overcame that major roadblock?

It wasn’t a big moment it was just a continuing and ongoing journey of, wow, I’m making this work. Wow! I still have money in the bank. Wow! I’m still able to feed the horses.  It’s just it. It’s little things. It’s not any one big moment that goes Wow, I’m making this work.

Thank you Joyce!

Please continue on to part 2 – the equitation questions!

Joyce Chartier – Part 2 Equitation

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Let’s move on to some specific equitation questions.

Why is good equitation and riding well so important?

Laura Kelland-May, Joyce Chartier, Equine Business Builders,
Joyce Chartier, Choyce LLC, Choyce Party Ponies

Well in my business with doing trail rides and and pony parties or anything like that, job one, is it keeps you from falling off! That is important.

That for me, is the most important thing. I find that often I’m  taking out people out in the woods, we may encounter obstacles, we may encounter animals.

Do you encounter one of those large ‘gators you see on Facebook?

Actually that’s really funny. I was taking a training horse out and I had people riding behind me and it was raining at Atlantic Ridge and the water was on all of the trails was really deep.

We were sloshing through a trail that was about two feet deep, and all of a sudden, I just, out of the corner of my eye looked down and I saw this huge out swelling coming out from underneath my horse. And I watched the water continue to swell up and then jumps out on the bank and it was a two foot gator.

The horse I was riding didn’t even budge. He just kept on acting like, I didn’t see a thing, I don’t know what you’re talking about. And I was like, oh my gosh, that was a ‘gator and it came right out from underneath my horse.

Those types of this is why I say equitation is really important because know, keeping your weight down in your heels, trying to predict what your horse is going to do, keeping your upper body back. People teach equitation in a ring and people teach English equitation are like bring that upper body forward, got that lovely two – point position, that’s all fine and wonderful.

I had a clinic with Aidan O’Connell about five or six years ago and Aiden O’Connell just put a video up on the mail about  riding out of the arena, riding outside fencing. That is when equitation becomes more important than anything, because if you’re not balanced and you’re not paying attention to what’s going on, you’re going to be off in a flash.

That is so huge. You know, people spend their lives inside the confines of the rings. I agree with you totally.

So what is the biggest challenge you see people are struggling with with their equitation. You get so many different types of people. People who have ridden a lot. People who have never ever ridden.

I have people that range from, I’ve never been on a horse before to grand prix riders ride my horses. I’ve got a friend of mine that is a retired steer wrestler. He rides. I go from people who don’t know how to ride hardly at all to people that ride way better than I’ll ever ride.

With beginners, here’s what I see, is that it’s easy to “over horse” yourself. People will sell you a horse that is more horse than you need to be on.

That’s what you mean by “over horse-ing”.They should be on fifteen two quiet quarter horse when they’re on or someone’s selling them a 17.2hh off the track thoroughbred that raced 2 weeks ago.

And they do it with their children. They do it as adults. They do it unknowingly. Oh, I want my child to grow up with the same companion. They will go and buy a young horse that the child has no business being on. Or for themselves. They’ll go out and find a disreputable person that may drug the horse. Or may misrepresent the horse, or maybe look at the horse and say, “oh it’s pretty, I want it”, and not even think about what they are going to ride the horse, to have anything to do with it.

There so many ways and mistakes can be made because people don’t know. They don’t know what you’re doing. And people selling horses, that it’s not their business. They just want the horse gone. They don’t pay attention to where the horse is going to go. And you’ll get people to come out and they’ll look at a horse for sale, they’ll be like, just get on it and go. Or friends have horses and their non- instructors themselves, but their horses are fine for them to ride and they will say, “come on over and jump on my horse, let’s go for a ride.

They can’t look at a person ‘s body and say this horse might be too much for them. they don’t know how to real what’s going on with a rider. The next thing you know, somebody’s fallen off, they’re getting hurt.

So they are not knowledgeable.

Not knowledgeable. There are too many horses in this world that are are not well trained. There are too many people who don’t want to spend money to pay for quality training and it is an accident waiting to happen.

So what tips can you give people now to help them, to help people who are listening here today?

Know what’s going on your horse ‘s head, and develop a strategy to avoid a fall. And I say avoiding them because they’ll happen no matter what happens you get on a horse plan on falling off. It’s just going to happen.

They don’t like to hear that.

But that’s what happens. And I I say that because I had one of my students, and it probably took her three or four years before she finally fell off, but it did happen.

You learn to ride better and then you take more risks. If you never take risks, you won’t have an issue. Very rarely will you have anything go wrong. I try extra, extra careful with my beginner riders. We always ride the level of the least rider. Any time I book a trail ride, and I’m like okay what’s your riding skills. And what’s your of friends  riding skills? And they’re like, well you know I’ve ridden, and I’m really good experience and I own my own horse.  And my friend is a beginner.Well you need to understand we will ride to the level of your friend who is a beginner. We are going to keep them safe.

You have to read the horse’s body language. You learn how to read horses body language. You have to feel what they’re feeling and have a plan if they spook.

It’s got to happen or you are going over face yourself. These are all things that most often happen, if you love horses and oh, I’m going to ride every week. Oh, I think this is a fabulous experience. I want to get into owning my own horse. Because a lot of people when they start  riding some people never get past the “oh I ride occasionally”. Most of the time they are pretty safe.

It is when you decide that you’re passionate about this and you want to learn all you can learn in the limited time you have on the planet. That’s  sometimes when accidents can happen.

I think that’s really good advice.

Are there any other things you would like to add to that?

Riding with a helmet. Riding with  an air vest or a safety vest. When I fox hunt, because I am one of those who is going to push my envelope. I  hunt with an air vest. I am attached by a lanyard to my saddle and when I separated from my horse my air vest immediately goes off.

When you were growing up, putting those baler twine,  hay bine, hay twine bridles on those three year olds, did you have a vest and a helmet?

I can picture it, you had a pair of cut off jean shorts and probably a halter top or bathing suit and maybe boots on. Maybe bare feet!

Probably bare foot or in tennis shoes, because you know I didn’t have to worry about falling out of the stirrup because, there was none!

They weren’t going to let us use any of their good equipment.

One challenge that I see people that are struggling with their equitation is that they just don’t ride enough.  And I will say the foxhunting and trail riding. those are all ways to get out in the saddle and spend hours and that’s what really makes a difference in your equitation.

Spending time in the tack!

I think that’s really good advice. I think we are going to wrap it up there Joyce.

I’d like to thank you Joyce Chartier for coming on our podcast today.

If you would like to visit Joyce, you can go to ChoyceLLC.com  and ChoycePartyPonies.com.

Thank you for visiting us today.

Thank you.